Contra Women preaching in The Church

Tabitha Driver, a Mennonite woman wrote:

“While submission does mean lowering one’s self and sacrificing for others, the truth is that, in God’s upside-down perspective, the least becomes the greatest (Luke 22:26-27; Brooks). In fact, God showed submission!! Jesus “did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage… He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death—even to death on a cross. For this reason God highly exalted Him.” Just as God exalted Jesus, God celebrates and values the lowly (1 Corinthians 1:27-29).

If Jesus (who is God) chooses to submit then surely submitting does not mean that I am less important than a man. Submission determines my role –not my value.

(SIDE NOTE: Sometimes I wonder if submission is unfair to men. They are the ones who get the stress and responsibilities of leadership.)”

Source: http://ultimatemetaphor.blogspot.be/2015/04/5-submission-myths.html (her blog post on “Submission” is recommended).


I completely agree with Calvinist John Piper on this subject:


Source: AskPastorJohn (soundcloud)


John Piper; Picture source: Desiring God

‘Theologian John Piper was recently asked if the Bible allows women to preach as long as they do it under the permission of church elders. Piper answered, “No.”

“A woman teaching men with authority week in and week out … or regularly … under the elders is not under the authority of the New Testament … and neither would they (elders) be for putting her in that situation,” the Baptist preacher stated.

During a recent edition of “Ask Pastor John,” a listener posed this question: “Does 1 Timothy 2:12 leave open the possibility that women are permitted to preach in the weekly gathering of a local church as an extension of the male elders of the church or as an expression under their governing authority?”

To provide context, Piper quoted 1 Timothy 2:11-14, which states: “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.”

These words were by the Apostle Paul, who was providing instructions to Timothy on the organization of the Church and the proper methods of pastoral work.

Paul, Piper explained, provided two reasons for why he would limit the teaching and governing office in the church to spiritually qualified men. First, Adam was formed before Eve. Second, Eve was deceived by Satan.

Paul was not trying to absolve Adam of blame (Paul lays all the guilt on Adam in another text) but the main point of 1 Timothy 2:14 is to show that Satan’s first assault was on the order that God appointed, Piper explained.

“Paul is saying Satan undermined the order of creation and focused his deceptive words on Eve and made her the spokesman, not Adam, and she became the focus of deception,” said Piper. “Adam failed in his leadership and she was willing to take it up and the result was the fall.”

Responding to the question on women preaching even under the authority of elders who govern and teach in the church, Piper clarified that the issue is not about competency. “Don’t ever think … a woman … is incompetent,” he said.

Rather, “the issue is that it would compromise the way men and women are supposed to relate to each other,” he stressed. Allowing women to preach would compromise God’s order, he said.

“Paul would say a female is not a proper extension of male leadership. That doesn’t make sense. That’s a contradiction of male leadership,” Piper stated, adding that women should still be active and use their talents for ministry.’

source: christiandaily

As Maarten Luther put it:

“Any teaching, that does not square with Scripture,
is to be rejected, even if it snows miracles everyday.”
~ Martin Luther, Luther’s Works, Volume 24, page 367

Ps. No, I don’t hate women and no, God loves them as much as He loves men.

I just believe that it is scriptural that Scripture should be above our own toughts and that Scripture teaches that man and woman received different roles (complementarianism).
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Source: Jimmy Miller (facebook)

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